New details have come out about Henry Cavill’s exit as Superman, and it turns out the situation was messier than most people thought. Cavill hadn’t been in any DC movies since 2017’s Justice League until he showed up briefly in 2022’s Black Adam.

James Gunn recently opened up about the moment he told Henry Cavill he would no longer play Superman, marking the Man of Steel’s official DC exit. In a new interview, he detailed how the conversation unfolded and talked about Cavill’s reaction to the news.