I first interviewed Herzog, who hails from a storied Israeli political family, after Trump made his pardon push but before Netanyahu had formally requested one. Herzog praised the U.S. president, including for his work to bring hostages back from Gaza — but also made clear that any pardon was an internal matter.

The walkouts came after the general assembly of the European Broadcasting Union — a group of public broadcasters from 56 countries that runs the glitzy annual event — met to discuss concerns about Israel's participation,